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Malice Black · Jan 11, 2008, 01:48 AM // 01:48

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Originally Posted by pochoWICKED

Hey!
we didn't hack or use 3rd party programs.
when u beat mallyx , somebody would go back to the guild hall and they could zone back into the town by pressing "LEAVE GUILD HALL".
They could take a party with them if they beat the 4 places in doa.

Simple fact is, you knew it had to be some sort of bug, yet I bet you went back again..am I right?

Going there once can be classed as an accident, going back again is a bltant attempt to exploit a bug.

Pro-Monk · Jan 11, 2008, 01:49 AM // 01:49

I have often been flamed in these forums for bringing up the FACT that this game is full of exploiters, hackers, etc. and now here's some evidence of such activity. Not only that, many of the supposedly leet (lmao) players that come on these forums and say how simple it is to beat the game, make money, etc are shown to be what they actually are - cheaters.

All I can say is - ENJOY YOUR BAN 8^)

freaky naughty · Jan 11, 2008, 01:49 AM // 01:49

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Originally Posted by pochoWICKED

I Just want Anet to know that no one was "hacking" Or Using"3rd party programs".
It was a glitch that Anet never fixed.
Say what you want now, but i'd say 80% of people would have done this glitch if they knew about it.

If people knew about it they'd have realized there was something fishy about it, besides arguing that other people would do it doesn't defend your case at all.

Arkantos · Jan 11, 2008, 01:50 AM // 01:50

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Originally Posted by pochoWICKED

Hey!
we didn't hack or use 3rd party programs.
when u beat mallyx , somebody would go back to the guild hall and they could zone back into the town by pressing "LEAVE GUILD HALL".
They could take a party with them if they beat the 4 places in doa.

The area was originally accessed by a third party program.

You left guild hall into an outpost that nobody has ever been to. You were able to kill mallyx without completing the 4 quest. You were able to kill mallyx again and again and again. I'm sorry, I do not believe you thought this was supposed to happen.

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I Just want Anet to know that no one was "hacking" Or Using"3rd party programs".
It was a glitch that Anet never fixed.
Say what you want now, but i'd say 80% of people would have done this glitch if they knew about it.

Anyone who know anything about the EULA would have not done this. Many people knew about duping, many people knew how to do it. Did they all do it? No, they were smart and knew they would get banned. You should have been smart and stayed away from this exploit.

stefke86 · Jan 11, 2008, 01:50 AM // 01:50

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Originally Posted by freaky naughty

There's a difference between getting run to consulate docks so you can get your 1337 1.5k armor, and skipping all the work for the hardest area ever invented in GW. Anet should take none of the blame.

Did the Duncan runners and teams get banned for skipping their 4 generals?

Obviously the runners there found out about an exploit and people greedingly abused it.

Now this happens, a few people find out about the outpost, they offer runs to mallyx where you can skip the 4 generals (sounds familiar with Duncan, no?)

Do the groups running along with the runners need to be punished because the Runner hacked Anet?? How in gods name do the guys that take the run have to know that hacking is involved when a few months earlier the same thing happened with a similar boss and quest build, where no one was banned??

Sure Anet should ban those hwo hacked, the runners, but the people in the groups that joined just for profit? Come on, did no one of you guys who say 'you guys deserve it' take a Duncan run? ....

Meh, i think its unfair still, and Anet should thouroughly look into this. More than they have now anyway.

ensoriki · Jan 11, 2008, 01:50 AM // 01:50

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Originally Posted by Ekelon

I have to admit that I'm a bit itchy on the part about Gaile saying that people hacked the client. I'm pretty sure this is virtually impossible to do..

Everythings hackable
Except Bruce Lee's Computer
Because its in hiding!

I think they didn't server side something or whatever like they usually do and thats how those people got their ass in.

Mickey · Jan 11, 2008, 01:51 AM // 01:51

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Originally Posted by Keekles

The fact that you were in someplace strange that was outside of the normal line of progression for the quest should hint to you that something is not right.

You made your own bed, now lie in it. If you were taken there, then use "Leave Guild Hall" to take other people there, then you are still exploiting a hack. Only that you are not the one with the actual 3rd party program.

Look, I didn't know the normal line of progression, that was my first time doing Mallyx. Period. I know I can't prove my innocence, I'm just saying.

Keekles · Jan 11, 2008, 01:53 AM // 01:53

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Originally Posted by Mickey

Look, I didn't know the normal line of progression, that was my first time doing Mallyx. Period. I know I can't prove my innocence, I'm just saying.

I wasn't targeting you with that statement, since (to me at least) you really had no idea. But to some of the other people who seemed to have a clue... that's who I'm targetting.

Shakti · Jan 11, 2008, 01:53 AM // 01:53

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Originally Posted by Rexion

They are banning people for something that they left open.

The hidden outpost was still open when they were done testing. If they were actually using the right-mind, they should have closed it and/or deleted it.

In my humble opinion, every game will have people that find an exploit and feed off of it for personal benefit. This is no different than people ferrying, but they don't get banned.
ANet bans the few people that used this outpost, but still let the ferriers thrive, when it has been going on for months now.

As I said before, every game will have those that exploit and hack. It is unstoppable.

With all do respect, you might not agree with me, but I say it is ANet's fault 100%, not the people that just happened to find this.

It is the user's fault they hacked the client violating the EULA. Say whatever you want about whether anet should've closed the outposts, EULA states clearly YOU CAN'T HACK THE CLIENT. Who doesn't know this? Exploits and hacks are bad mmmmmkay?

Honestly Anet's responsibility in closing or not closing the outpost is irrelevant. That is their choice and they have reasons neither you nor I are privy to. These players knew they were violating the EULA they agreed to when they did this. That means ban, I say TY Anet.

freaky naughty · Jan 11, 2008, 01:54 AM // 01:54

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Originally Posted by stefke86

Did the Duncan runners and teams get banned for skipping their 4 generals?

Obviously the runners there found out about an exploit and people greedingly abused it.

Now this happens, a few people find out about the outpost, they offer runs to mallyx where you can skip the 4 generals (sounds familiar with Duncan, no?)

Do the groups running along with the runners need to be punished because the Runner hacked Anet?? How in gods name do the guys that take the run have to know that hacking is involved when a few months earlier the same thing happened with a similar boss and quest build, where no one was banned??

Sure Anet should ban those hwo hacked, the runners, but the people in the groups that joined just for profit? Come on, did no one of you guys who say 'you guys deserve it' take a Duncan run? ....

Meh, i think its unfair still, and Anet should thouroughly look into this. More than they have now anyway.

I'm not familiar with the Duncan run but by your description, which is that it is a hack. I've never gotten a Duncan run and I don't plan to do any run, except for shards of orr hm because that's impossible. On topic though if the Duncan run was a hack then the runners should be banned. If it was a clever way of getting past them then no, no one should be banned.

-Sonata- · Jan 11, 2008, 01:57 AM // 01:57

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Originally Posted by pochoWICKED

Hey!
we didn't hack or use 3rd party programs.
when u beat mallyx , somebody would go back to the guild hall and they could zone back into the town by pressing "LEAVE GUILD HALL".
They could take a party with them if they beat the 4 places in doa.

With all do respect, and if what you say here is true, then you had to have known something was out of the ordinary. If that's the case you had two choices.

1) You value your account enough to not put it at risk because of a possible hack, exploit, cheat. This means you leave that party at the first sign something is "not what it seems" and you stay away until all future signs point to "Things are now normal".

2) You continue your actions, knowing that something is "up", for whatever reasons, or excuses, you wish to share. If so, due to your continued action, the risk of punishment increases and not to the shock of many here you got hit with the ban stick and rightfully so.

And no, 80% of the people who knew about this probably wouldn't have exploited it. Just because it's "there" doesn't mean it's supposed to be taken advantage of. I can take my Mustang up to 130mph if I wanted too. The engine is there. Doesn't mean I'm allowed to do it, or should do it. It's against the law. The person who doesn't "think" would reply with "Well, if it's against the law, why make the engine that powerful??".

I hate to sound rude on this, but being oblivious to the obvious isn't good enough.

Rexion · Jan 11, 2008, 01:57 AM // 01:57

oh well... ANet has caused another contraversy... ending in me losing more respect for them. 1 less player you have received related to a contraversy...

All Statements made:

-related to ferrying
-related to Duncan Runs
-the 117 deserved it
-it was left there to be hacked
-against EULA
-blah blah blah...

Rexion · Jan 11, 2008, 02:00 AM // 02:00

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Originally Posted by -Sonata-

I can take my Mustang up to 130mph if I wanted too. The engine is there. Doesn't mean I'm allowed to do it, or should do it. It's against the law. The person who doesn't "think" would reply with "Well, if it's against the law, why make the engine that powerful??".

But it is also the Gov's fault for not posting a speed limit sign on the road you are driving on.

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Originally Posted by Oofus

There is a HUGE difference between the owner of a house opening his/her front door with their key and a crook picking the lock to gain illegal entry.

there is a huge difference between an owner leaving the door open while the people paying rent happen to walk into his apartment to talk to him while his wife is in the next room thinking it is a robber.

freaky naughty · Jan 11, 2008, 02:01 AM // 02:01

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Originally Posted by Rexion

But it is also the Gov's fault for not posting a speed limit sign on the road you are driving on.

Hmmm so I believe this means you're suggesting it's Anets fault for not warning us against HACKING to gain entrance to an outpost that to us was supposed to be non-existant? Because, if that's what you're saying your argument just lost credibility.

Bryant Again · Jan 11, 2008, 02:02 AM // 02:02

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Originally Posted by Rexion

But it is also the Gov's fault for not posting a speed limit sign on the road you are driving on.

Given the fact that I rarely see a speed limit sign over 60mph, it's nothing more than common sense that you shouldn't be going that fast.

Nonetheless, people weren't banned because they were going to an outpost. They were banned because the only way to that outpost was the use of third-party programs i.e hacking. The other people banned were those with a lack of common sense.

As for those "mostly innocent" exceptions I've mentioned, and that Arkantos emphasized on, they're the only ones that I hope didn't get banned.

Either way, the outpost was pretty good hacker bait.

I Is Special · Jan 11, 2008, 02:04 AM // 02:04

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Originally Posted by Rexion

oh well... ANet has caused another contraversy... ending in me losing more respect for them. 1 less player you have received related to a contraversy...

All Statements made:

-related to ferrying
-related to Duncan Runs
-the 117 deserved it
-it was left there to be hacked
-against EULA
-blah blah blah...

I dont see where you're coming from.
People _hacked_ and exploited the game to get rich and fvck everything up. How do you not see this as being a bannable offense?

Molock · Jan 11, 2008, 02:04 AM // 02:04

The people who used this exploit had to know what it was... why would you believe that its ok to skip the whole quest and kill Mallyx over and over? It seems they got owned by their own greediness.

The Mountain · Jan 11, 2008, 02:05 AM // 02:05

For the non-hackers who abused this exploit, the situation is exactly the same as the Duncan running situation (assuming a lack of knowledge about hacking); treatment should be the same, methinks.

I think it's quite likely there are several entirely innocent people. The first time I beat Mallyx, I got all excited and asked my group if they wanted to go again. They proceeded to laugh at me for not knowing that I had to repeat all four areas. Either way, it seems banned accounts don't stay banned too long...what's the c/o on those mini polar bears? last I heard, 1501 braces...yea, that was legitimately farmed.

GloryFox · Jan 11, 2008, 02:05 AM // 02:05

Thank you Inde for opening up the discussion. Even if it is a tough topic by creating one thread you can at least control the damage to the Forums.

on to topic...

I don't get people who seem to think that just because you used an exploit you should reap no repercussions from it. Of course you got banned and for good reason.

Don't return to GW2 kthxbye

The EULA is common sense you don't need to be a lawyer to prevent yourself form getting banned. Just ask yourself, am I gaining an advantage or doing something by doing things no one else is "NORMALLY" able to do. Like show up at an invisible outpost and kill Mallyx without taking the quest then rinse repeating it. If the answer is yes then "STOP" doing it or you'll most likely getting a ban.

How hard is it?

Seriously?

Personally I'm skeptical of anyone with a Torment weapon these days.

Glad I sold my GEM's a long time ago too.

Rexion · Jan 11, 2008, 02:05 AM // 02:05

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Given the fact that I rarely see a speed limit sign over 60mph, it's nothing more than common sense that you shouldn't be going that fast.

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

He said he could drive that fast if he wanted to. He said nothing about a speed limit sign. That's quite irrelevant.

though my statement was a good comparison to what was going on...

"It could be illegal, but there is nothing saying that it is... might as well do it"
Most of the 117 people didn't know what was going on was against EULA. so they did it anyways.